Question: Alternatives to “Sir” and “ma’am”

Dezu asks…

I was recently working a position that required me to speak to people over the phone. At one point I addressed someone as “ma’am,” only to realize they were biologically male. After stumbling over myself apologizing, it hit me that it was kind of ludicrous and hypocritical for me to be using “sir” and “ma’am,” with how much I try not to make any assumptions (especially binary) about people’s gender.

That being the context, does anyone in this lovely community have any ideas or experiences relating to circumventing this issue, either with alternatives to these binary/presumptuous terms, or simply a way around having to use terms like that at all?

Please post your response in the comments below.

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Posted by on April 18th, 2012 at 08:00 am

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26 Responses to “Question: Alternatives to “Sir” and “ma’am””

  1. Jaye

    In the scifi books written by Steve Perry (no, not that one) in the early 90s, all characters were addressed as “M” as in “M Perry”, or in my case, “M Schmus”, without regard to the gender of the person addressed. I use that myself sometimes.

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  2. Anthallo

    I don’t have a suggestion for when people are addressing you verbally, however when anyone is addressing me in a formal email or letter I have asked them to use M. Lastname instead of Miss or Mr.

    Hope that helps.

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    Anonymous replied:

    M. would mean Monsieur in French, though, which is Mister. I’ve seen Mx. used by a few people.

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  3. Icarus

    I don’t suppose that this can be used in quite the same context, but a dean a a college I visited a few months ago addressed the audience as “gentle people” (as in “Good evening, gentle people”). I don’t know whether or not he intended to be gender inclusive, but I thought it was nice. However, since this title only really applies to a group, it wouldn’t work for your situation. Gentle person, maybe?

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  4. fluffy

    I’ve always been a fan of “Comrade,” despite (or maybe because of) the communist implication.

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    angelo replied:

    Heheh, I was just picturing the reaction of a big capitalist corporation when they find out that their employees are addressing their customers as comrades on the phone :)

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  5. Castiel

    I’m rather new to my gender neutrality and have started to use the term Serah in place of Mr or Miss. The word does originate from a game (Dragon Age by Bioware, which pleases the geek in me) and is used regardless of gender.

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    Firebolt replied:

    Serah, FTW! It did cross my mind, and Ser, which is how they refer to folks in Dragon Age Origins. But then Ser sounds a lot like Sir so it’s useless in this case.

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    Firebolt replied:

    Oh, and Messere!

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  6. Medusa Hirself

    My advice, as someone who has worked in a call center before, is to ask them their name, then call them that. I used to keep a notepad handy to write names down on, then crossed them off when I got off the phone with each person.

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    Sasha replied:

    that’s a great idea

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  7. Brett Blatchley

    This is a really helpful discussion. I hadn’t thought of this angle before.

    In view of the fact that (for the sake of my spouse) I’m not transitioning live as a women, and live instead as a “blended” person, discussions like this will help me in a practical way:

    I was thrilled when a new friend of mine (who had been advised of my TG status by a mutual friend), called me “Ms. Brett!” And, I’m a little disappointed that I keep getting “sir-ed” even though I present myself quite femininely and my body is relatively androgynous. I don’t want to push feminine pronouns and such, but I do with there was something not male and not female that didn’t sound “put on” or dehumanizing (like “it”). SOOOOO, any help here is appreciated!

    Thank You Everyone!

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    Brett Blatchley replied:

    Argggg!!! Sorry for all the typos…I really proofed that before I clicked “Send!” (honest!!) :-)

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  8. Joss/Ame

    I think about this a lot, and one thing I’ve realized is that the majority of the time, we really only use “Mr.” or “Mrs./Ms/” etc as a kind of respectful space-filling particle in sentences–I don’t think it really matters so much what you put there, so long as you have something to show a deferential hesitation in your speech. I have yet to test my hypothesis, but I’m pretty sure that if instead of using “Yes, Ma’am!” or “Yes, Sir!” in a sentence, you used “Yes, indeed!” or “…very much so!” or something else, depending on the context, you would still come off as being respectful. I also like the idea someone else posted about just asking for people’s names :)

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  9. rae

    i’ve seen Mixter used, abbreviated as Mx.

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  10. Meike

    I’ve also seen Mixter abbreviated as Mxtr, which is what I use, but probably this is a more “masculine” abbreviation, which suits me fine.

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  11. meeta

    i wanted to know how to address a person, irrespective of age, gender especially when i do not want to take first name.
    how about comrade, NO SIR/MAAM,
    it can be used on anyone without being too familiar or close.
    tried brother/brouder; compatriot etc but nothing fits.

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    Anonymous replied:

    I have friends who are gender neutral and they like to be referred to as Mx. (it sounds like Meh-zzz). This term is used in two different functions. Firstly, the “x” is a replacement for the “r”/”iss”/”rs”/”s” part of the title and is genderless. Secondly, and less commonly, it is also known as a shortening of the word “mix” for those that feel themselves as a mixture of male and female.
    I have also seen Ind. which is short for Individual used as well.
    ref: Nonbinary.org (2016) Gender neutral pronouns. [accessed: 16/08/2016] http://nonbinary.org/wiki/Gender_neutral_titles#Ind (there are further references within this reference)

    I know this isn’t EXACTLY what you’re looking for but perhaps it will help you anyway.

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  12. meeta

    or Genosse” Genossin

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    tigr replied:

    the trouble with that would be that “Genosse” is masculine (‘male comrade’) and “Genossin” is feminine (‘female comrade’), so it’s gendered again… (one gender-neutral variant would be “Genoss_in”, with a short stop at the _ … but I’d rather have a fully neutral word from the start)

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  13. Sigridh

    The best I’ve been able to find is “Sera”, a formality used in Morrowind. Other forms of it are “Muthsera” for your superiors, or the less formal “Serjo” for close friends.

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  14. Sadie

    My suggestion for a gender-neutral replacement term for “sir/madam” would be “respected individual”. Does that work?

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    Brettany Renee Blatchley replied:

    I like your thinking here Sadie, but I also think that being short and easy to say is important for an honorific.

    I wonder, could Respected Individual be shorted to “Ri.” ? (It still doesn’t do well on the tongue, but in writing I think it cold work.)

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  15. Brettany Renee Blatchley

    “Mx” has appeared a lot here, and Wikipedia lists it as the only gender neutral honorific in English.

    It occurred to me that part of our discomfort with various new words is that they sound “strange” to us because we are so used to what is already in use. Soooo, I’m keeping this in mind as I consider (or even think of) new possibilities.

    …BUT thinking about this more, WHY do we use honorifics anyway? Isn’t it to describe the person we are addressing? Many honorifics describe social status, or accomplishments, AND at their most basic: GENDER. Gender is important enough in English that we have honorifics to so identify people. BUT we also use it to personalize and humanize people…

    …What if we disposed of gender specific words altogether? Well, at first blush it would seem “disrespectful,” but our views of what are respectful personal references are and what is not, are changing, *especially* where gender inclusivity is concerned.

    Goodness! it’s difficult & awkward to NOT use a gendered honorific if you’ve been taught to from childhood!

    Oh…okay, THIS just came to mind:

    “Per.” – short for “Person.”

    “Per. Blatchley? May I introduce to you Per. Havallah?”

    Okay, soooo, why say “Per. Havallah” instead of just “Havallah?” I can think of some cases where the noun “Havallah” might not obviously be a proper noun, and so “Per” (indicating the noun is a person) could be useful for understanding (um…maybe, capitalization gives that away?). And I think that “Per.” adequately personalizes or humanizes “Havallah”

    Hmmm…still a little awkward, but it’s easy to say and (in my mind) doesn’t sound any more pretentious than anything else I’ve heard. Of course, *whatever* we end-up using will eventually sound “right” through usage and desensitization.

    Anyway, maybe understanding why we use honorifics can help us to find some better ones?

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    Becca replied:

    I like per very much

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  16. Anonymous

    In many situations, the person’s role can be used as a title, as in, “Good morning, officer,” or “No, doctor,” or, in a restaurant, “Thank you, server.” In a letter, I would use, “Dear Electric Company Representative.” In some situations, “Hello, friend” is appropriate. Or “Hello, fellow shopper.” These sorts of sidesteps may not work in every situation, but I find they help a lot.

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